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When I arrived at the biggest house of concerts of Latin America with capacity of 9.000 people, there were like fifty kids very close to the stage and a few others scattered on the huge ground. It was 20:00, only 30 minutes before the beginning. I was kind of worried because I thought to myself that the band would never come back again on those circumstances.
Fortunately, when Brian Baker was playing the first chords of American Jesus at 21:00, the place wasn't empty anymore. There were a lot of kids singing and pointing their hands towards the band whose singer was by far the most elegant man in Citibank Hall wearing a social shirt, pants and shoes. "I was drunk last time, sorry about that," Jay said smiling in the first pause of the show. Someone threw a 'coil' (in Brazil we use this funny thing in Carnival or Mardi Gras) in his direction. I don't think he saw it and Graffin ask for everyone to get their digital cameras. "Yeah, yeah, very nice. This next song is dedicated to you, because you are all 21st century digital people."
"123 owowowow," that's Jay in 'Anesthesia'. It's very difficult for him to do serious backing vocals in shows, but I don't blame him, I love his constantly good mood. On the other hand, he did very great serious vocals on the short hip hop part of 'Let Them Eat War'. After the eigth song, 'Infected', the audience was shouting "Punk Rock Song, Punk Rock Song, Punk Rock Song." The band ignored it. "We'd like to do a song know that restarted everything for us, it is the first song of a new era for Bad Religion." He also said something like the band was lost, with no direction. You all know the song, don't you? After this song they did like the record with 'Prove it', very nice. Brooks played very low then the intro bass drum (?TUTUTU?) of 'Can't Stop It' just to entertain himself, I guess.
When the band started 'Sanity', a girl wearing only black bikini with some tattoos got on stage with a fray full of water and 'caipirinha', maybe Coca-Cola as well, I don?t know. She was walking like if she was in a fashion parade. Two songs later Greg said: "Thank you very much for that lovely girl serving us on stage. I never saw something like that in my whole life. She is the girl from Ipanema." Baker was the first one to be served. Everybody of the band was in shock. I don't remember if he got something, but I saw Bentley getting a bottle of water, Graffin a Caipirinha and Hetson a bottle of water too. I thought it would be the opposite but it's ok. The tray almost fell down near Hetson and then the girl jumped without it towards the crowd very close to me and my girlfriend. The male audience loved it. "Did you see where those guys put their fingers, in her ...? I didn't know what to say to her but I'm sure it could have been worse.
"Obrigado, obrigado. Tudo bem?" Graffin was always saying those words, very funny, specially "tudo bem?". It means "thank you, thank you, is everything fine?" After the 14th song the crowd restarted "Punk Rock Song, Punk Rock Song, Punk Rock Song" and the band ignored it again. "Rio de Janeiro is one of the greatest cities in the world to live (I AGREE!!!) in but we come from Los Angeles and we have a problem down there every year, because every year Los Angeles is burning!!" Instead of "bedlam is dreaming of rain" he sang "Rio is dreaming of rain". Graffin changed a few times the lyrics like in this case. In 'Struck a Nerve' for example he sang "bottle of cacha?a for tonight" instead of "vodka for tonight". Cacha?a is a typical drink from Brazil with which we do the worldwide famous CAIPIRINHA Graffin drank on stage, but I prefer Caipirinha with Vodka instead of Cacha?a, which is a variation of the original one.
After the slow version of 'Generator', 19th song, the curtains closed. The audience started for the third time "Punk Rock Song, Punk Rock Song, Punk Rock Song!!!!!" "What song we forgot to play?" Greg asked smiling provoking the fourth request for 'Punk Rock Song'. And he did the classic talk you all know: "There's about 240 songs we forgot to play as well". I have a live CD of Stockholm in 1994 where he says "there?s about 85 Bad Religion song we won?t do tonight." If you add those 85 songs in 1994 with more or less 75 (1996 to 2004) the result is 152. So I think his couting is a little bit strange... [Ed. notes: BR has around 250 songs, including the ones off the new album. So I'd say Greg was correct after all.]
"A D minor please," Graffin asked. "Sorry, I don?t have a D minor here," Jay said, but Baker and Hetson did. "We'd like to do a song now that you never asked before but we are going to play it for you now." When the first chords of 'Punk Rock Song' came out the kids went crazy, it was amazing!! "That?s pretty fucking good," Jay said after it and Graffin said before 'Heroes and Martyrs' he would love to come back next year so the audience could sing it with them.
It has to be said that this show was smaller than all the others the band did in Brazil. Two guys with Spanish accent very close to me asked how many songs they played because they saw that I was taking notes in a notebook. I said 24 and then they said it was very good because in Chili and Argentina they did like 22, 23 songs according to their local friends. The other times they did like 27, at least in Brazil. But anyway, the show and the sound quality were fantastic! I totally agree with Graffin's words: "Bad Religion and Rio de Janeiro together, forever!!"
Here?s the set list in correct order:
01 ? AMERICAN JESUS 02 ? I WANT TO CONQUER THE WORLD 03 ? LET THEM EAT WAR 04 ? 21ST CENTURY DIGITAL BOY 05 ? YOU 06 ? THE DEFENSE 07 ? ANESTHESIA 08 ? INFECTED 09 - SUPERSONIC 10 ? PROVE IT 11 ? COME JOIN US 12 ? SANITY 13 ? NO CONTROL 14 ? EPIPHANY 15 ? LOS ANGELES IS BURNING 16 ? STRUCK A NERVE 17 ? SUFFER 18 ? RECIPE FOR HATE 19 ? GENERATOR
ENCORE
20 ? HEROES AND MARTYRS 21 ? FUCK ARMAGEDDON 22 ? PUNK ROCK SONG 23 ? ALONG THE WAY 24 - SORROW
American Jesus
You
Anesthesia
Come Join Us
Suffer
Generator
Big thanks to Henchman for sharing his experience and writing this article!
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I've been to about 10 br shows and to me the best opener is by far don't sell me short, they start the song with the brige part.I Also heard inner logic in a show in kitchener that was great too.
04/22/2007 at 02:15
I've been to about 10 br shows and to me the best opener is by far don't sell me short, they start the song with the brige part.I Also heard inner logic in a show in kitchener that was great too.
Some of you asked how mane people were in the Rio show. I don?t know...I would say something like 3,000 people but I am not sure. I?ll try to find out :) They played at same place four times and I would say it had this time more people than ever..
04/21/2007 at 05:04
Some of you asked how mane people were in the Rio show. I don?t know...I would say something like 3,000 people but I am not sure. I?ll try to find out :) They played at same place four times and I would say it had this time more people than ever..
Earlier this year Social Distortion did a string of shows that opened with them playing Mommy's Little Monster in it's entirety. Any BR album like that would be pretty mindblowing. It would be cool if BR would play an album like that...but if they maybe played an encore composed of Back to the Known? I would shit my pants.
04/20/2007 at 05:13
Earlier this year Social Distortion did a string of shows that opened with them playing Mommy's Little Monster in it's entirety. Any BR album like that would be pretty mindblowing. It would be cool if BR would play an album like that...but if they maybe played an encore composed of Back to the Known? I would shit my pants.
Jay said last year that they sorted of wanted to do a few shows where they say, play the No Control album one night. But I haven't heard anything of this since. I hope they do it, as that would be pretty awesome.
04/19/2007 at 23:27
Jay said last year that they sorted of wanted to do a few shows where they say, play the No Control album one night. But I haven't heard anything of this since. I hope they do it, as that would be pretty awesome.
Yeah, Generator would be my vote for an "album played in full live". It's only 11 songs, they'd still have plenty of time for 6 fan favourites, 6 from New Maps of Hell, and six of whatever the band wants to play.
04/19/2007 at 22:17
Yeah, Generator would be my vote for an "album played in full live". It's only 11 songs, they'd still have plenty of time for 6 fan favourites, 6 from New Maps of Hell, and six of whatever the band wants to play.
man i fucking wish they'd play Chimera... that song made me pick up drumsticks. personally, i'd like to see them play the entirety of generator live, but that would be very demanding. although i remember the cure played the smith trilogy in it's entirety; it would be awesome if they tried out playing the holy trinity like that. those are just semi-serious musings however, hearing chimera live once would be enough for me :D.
04/19/2007 at 20:40
man i fucking wish they'd play Chimera... that song made me pick up drumsticks. personally, i'd like to see them play the entirety of generator live, but that would be very demanding. although i remember the cure played the smith trilogy in it's entirety; it would be awesome if they tried out playing the holy trinity like that. those are just semi-serious musings however, hearing chimera live once would be enough for me :D.
I don't think they play b-sides, because nobody knows them. It's hard to get your hands on bad religion singles. The songs you mentioned are not real b-sides(anymore). because dream of unity and the fast life are on an album (european/japanese new america and punkrock songs)And wasn't news from the front on a punk-o-rama cd?
04/19/2007 at 19:56
I don't think they play b-sides, because nobody knows them. It's hard to get your hands on bad religion singles. The songs you mentioned are not real b-sides(anymore). because dream of unity and the fast life are on an album (european/japanese new america and punkrock songs)And wasn't news from the front on a punk-o-rama cd?
How much of ITU was played live? All I know of is It's Only Over When... and The Dichotemy from the All Our Yesterdays bootleg. I don't think any of the following have been played live, and if they have, I've never heard the live version before: "Live Again", "It's Reciprocal", "The Lie", "Positive Aspect", "Bored and Extremelly Dangerous", "Shattered Faith", "Chimeara", "Who We Are", "The Surface of Me", "Strange Denial". There are probably more but I can't be bothered thinking right now.
04/19/2007 at 17:42
How much of ITU was played live? All I know of is It's Only Over When... and The Dichotemy from the All Our Yesterdays bootleg. I don't think any of the following have been played live, and if they have, I've never heard the live version before: "Live Again", "It's Reciprocal", "The Lie", "Positive Aspect", "Bored and Extremelly Dangerous", "Shattered Faith", "Chimeara", "Who We Are", "The Surface of Me", "Strange Denial". There are probably more but I can't be bothered thinking right now.
Well, I think "Boot stamping..." is on that list. Hetson told me a few years back "we?ll never play that one", but who knows. The point is that a band as big as Bad Religion has become (and no I dont think its selling out), they atract more "casual" fans than smaller bands. That means that a large part of the audience would feel fucked, if the band didnt play "the hits". Plus, some times the guys would probably get lost trying to remember old songs every night. I am sure there is a bit of a "comfort zone" where there will be a tendency not to go crazy with getting the whole catalogue in on a tour. I would take a lot more effort than most people would care for (since a very small part of the audience would really appreciate it)
04/19/2007 at 15:30
Well, I think "Boot stamping..." is on that list. Hetson told me a few years back "we?ll never play that one", but who knows. The point is that a band as big as Bad Religion has become (and no I dont think its selling out), they atract more "casual" fans than smaller bands. That means that a large part of the audience would feel fucked, if the band didnt play "the hits". Plus, some times the guys would probably get lost trying to remember old songs every night. I am sure there is a bit of a "comfort zone" where there will be a tendency not to go crazy with getting the whole catalogue in on a tour. I would take a lot more effort than most people would care for (since a very small part of the audience would really appreciate it)
In an itnerview with Jay he pretty much said there's only about three songs they've never played live. I know that one of them is "Shattered Faith" off POB, who knows about the rest.
04/19/2007 at 15:05
In an itnerview with Jay he pretty much said there's only about three songs they've never played live. I know that one of them is "Shattered Faith" off POB, who knows about the rest.
about that live at the palladium poll thing on badreligion.com. I remember "don't sell me short" was in the top ten. I'd like to see them play that one again. But BR should make it a little bit short-er. It is like 5 minutes long.
04/19/2007 at 13:35
about that live at the palladium poll thing on badreligion.com. I remember "don't sell me short" was in the top ten. I'd like to see them play that one again. But BR should make it a little bit short-er. It is like 5 minutes long.
Imagine a show of BR without : -American Jesus -21 firts century digital boy -Recipe for hate -No control -Generator -Suffer Its not that i didn't like there songs but I think it's the 5 songs I already heard the most each of my 5 shows of BR in Montreal. I think it will be a show for only real BR's Fans...!
04/19/2007 at 06:26
Imagine a show of BR without : -American Jesus -21 firts century digital boy -Recipe for hate -No control -Generator -Suffer Its not that i didn't like there songs but I think it's the 5 songs I already heard the most each of my 5 shows of BR in Montreal. I think it will be a show for only real BR's Fans...!
"Along the Way" video live are the best show's live from BR I ever saw in DVD!!! Live at Palladium (LA) is really good quality but they are talking about the same questions that in "Along the way" during Germany tour '88. Expect Graffin was studing at UCLA into his master's studies. It is really The Bests BR's times for me with GReg G. mayby "Fucktop" during "Delerium of Disorder"'s song. And by the way, The Riot '91 of BR DVD is crap! sorry to said that...!
04/19/2007 at 06:17
"Along the Way" video live are the best show's live from BR I ever saw in DVD!!! Live at Palladium (LA) is really good quality but they are talking about the same questions that in "Along the way" during Germany tour '88. Expect Graffin was studing at UCLA into his master's studies. It is really The Bests BR's times for me with GReg G. mayby "Fucktop" during "Delerium of Disorder"'s song. And by the way, The Riot '91 of BR DVD is crap! sorry to said that...!
they played in Rio in 2004 MAN WITH A MISSION and in 2001 Skyscraper. Bu t I think I saw a song that maybe one or two of you have seen live... I saw in Sao Paulo, Brazil in march 1999, SPIRIT SHINE. :) I have a concert from 1994 with delirium of disorder, very nice.
04/19/2007 at 06:15
they played in Rio in 2004 MAN WITH A MISSION and in 2001 Skyscraper. Bu t I think I saw a song that maybe one or two of you have seen live... I saw in Sao Paulo, Brazil in march 1999, SPIRIT SHINE. :) I have a concert from 1994 with delirium of disorder, very nice.
The Ogden show also has the simple but awesome transition from You into No Direction (Also with the a capella "No Bad Religion Song...part which is, just stunning). That show is my #2 favourite of all time (behind the Palladium '91). Awesome setlist, awesome performance and all those little things that make non-album year tours so amazing.
04/19/2007 at 05:27
The Ogden show also has the simple but awesome transition from You into No Direction (Also with the a capella "No Bad Religion Song...part which is, just stunning). That show is my #2 favourite of all time (behind the Palladium '91). Awesome setlist, awesome performance and all those little things that make non-album year tours so amazing.
They played Delerium for wahile, I have ~20 live versions of it, they played it regularly through 89-91 and then also on the 96 tours. They also played it in England in 2005. The best live version you're going to find (quality wise) is the Along The Way DVD (Since it's official) Also check out the February 1, 1991 Hollywood Palladium show. That whole concert is nuts and they play Anxiety (Quality is a great soundboard too!)
04/19/2007 at 05:19
They played Delerium for wahile, I have ~20 live versions of it, they played it regularly through 89-91 and then also on the 96 tours. They also played it in England in 2005. The best live version you're going to find (quality wise) is the Along The Way DVD (Since it's official) Also check out the February 1, 1991 Hollywood Palladium show. That whole concert is nuts and they play Anxiety (Quality is a great soundboard too!)
They have played Skyscraper quite a bit, particularly during the 2002 tour. They also played it for about half of the Canada tour this past fall, starting in Toronto, the show I was at!
04/19/2007 at 05:13
They have played Skyscraper quite a bit, particularly during the 2002 tour. They also played it for about half of the Canada tour this past fall, starting in Toronto, the show I was at!
The Palladium poll ended up being pretty lame. I believe both Billy and Walk Away were in the top 5 of that poll and neither was played, as well as a good number of rarer songs that were neglected by the band. It's a good idea, but not when the band doesn't really stick to it. By the way, if they never play Man with a Mission again I will die a happy man.
04/19/2007 at 02:25
The Palladium poll ended up being pretty lame. I believe both Billy and Walk Away were in the top 5 of that poll and neither was played, as well as a good number of rarer songs that were neglected by the band. It's a good idea, but not when the band doesn't really stick to it. By the way, if they never play Man with a Mission again I will die a happy man.
They've said before that Greg struggles to sing it live while on tour, but I've heard it done three or four times. Get the Ogdon Theatre concert that's on bad-religion.net
04/18/2007 at 23:41
They've said before that Greg struggles to sing it live while on tour, but I've heard it done three or four times. Get the Ogdon Theatre concert that's on bad-religion.net
Comments by dontgobear from United States on 2007-04-18 @ 21:40 I love when they play heaven is falling into man with a mission, IT'S THE BEST THING EVER. I agree. The bit at the Denver show a few years back (Find the link to the mp3s on BRtribute) when they played the transition AND Defense a few songs later, and then had SKYSCRAPER as the second last song, finishing with Digital Boy and Jay singing "You dead hydrogen bomb motherfucker" at the end. Pure awesome.
04/18/2007 at 22:17
Comments by dontgobear from United States on 2007-04-18 @ 21:40 I love when they play heaven is falling into man with a mission, IT'S THE BEST THING EVER. I agree. The bit at the Denver show a few years back (Find the link to the mp3s on BRtribute) when they played the transition AND Defense a few songs later, and then had SKYSCRAPER as the second last song, finishing with Digital Boy and Jay singing "You dead hydrogen bomb motherfucker" at the end. Pure awesome.
I love when they play heaven is falling into man with a mission, IT'S THE BEST THING EVER. It's such a pretty transition. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT AT EVERY SHOW.
04/18/2007 at 21:40
I love when they play heaven is falling into man with a mission, IT'S THE BEST THING EVER. It's such a pretty transition. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT AT EVERY SHOW.
They did something like that when deciding the setlist to play at the Live At The Palladium shows. Over at the official message board users could suggest their preferred songs. I don't know how much attention they paid to it though.
04/18/2007 at 20:27
They did something like that when deciding the setlist to play at the Live At The Palladium shows. Over at the official message board users could suggest their preferred songs. I don't know how much attention they paid to it though.
They're gonna start changing their setlists a lot more now I think. I seem to remember them talking about playing chronological setlists and also maybe playing whole albums through a while ago. We've already had a chronological setlist recently, and personally I'm really looking forward to hearing the whole Generator album live, and also Against The Grain. Hell, any of their albums live would be awesome (Aside from New America, as I don't think that would play well live).
04/18/2007 at 19:44
They're gonna start changing their setlists a lot more now I think. I seem to remember them talking about playing chronological setlists and also maybe playing whole albums through a while ago. We've already had a chronological setlist recently, and personally I'm really looking forward to hearing the whole Generator album live, and also Against The Grain. Hell, any of their albums live would be awesome (Aside from New America, as I don't think that would play well live).
I disagree with you Banjo. They don?t always play songs to enjoy everyone. To enjoy everyone they would play A WALK, PUNK ROCK SONG, NEW AMERICA or RAISE YOUR VOICE. Songs that have video clip, played also on the radio and are moe catchy the refrain. It?s hard to see those songs. I think that there are two types of person that goes to their shows. first type, the fanatics, like us, that know all the songs and records, and those people, second type, that know 4 or 5 songs like Generator, american Jesus, 21st Century. For these second type, if they play land of competition or suffer would be the same. If I were Graffin I would surprise not every concert but probably everu tour. For example, in the next "New Maps of Hell" I would like 10 songs of the new record, 5 of No substance, 6 from Genrator, something like that..why not?? They say they want to change the world, the politics, they want "change of ideas", but they play the same songs every year!
04/18/2007 at 19:34
I disagree with you Banjo. They don?t always play songs to enjoy everyone. To enjoy everyone they would play A WALK, PUNK ROCK SONG, NEW AMERICA or RAISE YOUR VOICE. Songs that have video clip, played also on the radio and are moe catchy the refrain. It?s hard to see those songs. I think that there are two types of person that goes to their shows. first type, the fanatics, like us, that know all the songs and records, and those people, second type, that know 4 or 5 songs like Generator, american Jesus, 21st Century. For these second type, if they play land of competition or suffer would be the same. If I were Graffin I would surprise not every concert but probably everu tour. For example, in the next "New Maps of Hell" I would like 10 songs of the new record, 5 of No substance, 6 from Genrator, something like that..why not?? They say they want to change the world, the politics, they want "change of ideas", but they play the same songs every year!
They try to satisfy as many people as possible. Although we'd love to see Don't Pray On Me live, many of the people there probably won't have even heard of that song, so they play songs such as Infected as it's one everyone can enjoy.
04/18/2007 at 18:49
They try to satisfy as many people as possible. Although we'd love to see Don't Pray On Me live, many of the people there probably won't have even heard of that song, so they play songs such as Infected as it's one everyone can enjoy.
yeah it's been said many times, if i was greg i'd love to surprise the crowd, instead of turning up like me on some tours knowing exactly what theyre gonna play and what order.They always play it too safe imo, they have so many songs in the bank why play pretty much the same songs every show?no doubt if they're still going in a few years they'll be playing AJ, infected,21st century... every show, c'mon every show.....well better stop ranting hehe
04/18/2007 at 18:03
yeah it's been said many times, if i was greg i'd love to surprise the crowd, instead of turning up like me on some tours knowing exactly what theyre gonna play and what order.They always play it too safe imo, they have so many songs in the bank why play pretty much the same songs every show?no doubt if they're still going in a few years they'll be playing AJ, infected,21st century... every show, c'mon every show.....well better stop ranting hehe
I totally agree with you Mills. I love the band but Ifected, Suffer, No control, recipe for hate...those songs are great, but every concert...they must play something else!!!
04/18/2007 at 17:54
I totally agree with you Mills. I love the band but Ifected, Suffer, No control, recipe for hate...those songs are great, but every concert...they must play something else!!!
By the way, here's part of the Hereoes and Martyrs from the Rio show on YouTube: http:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=shFJgxWf3hg Stupid comments system. Remove the spaces.
04/18/2007 at 04:08
By the way, here's part of the Hereoes and Martyrs from the Rio show on YouTube: http:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=shFJgxWf3hg Stupid comments system. Remove the spaces.
Really? Punk Rock Song was the song you guys wanted? It's a good song, but it's not like the band doesn't play it at every show ever. Next time chant "Billy" or "Walk Away" or "To Another Abyss". And then record it.
04/18/2007 at 04:03
Really? Punk Rock Song was the song you guys wanted? It's a good song, but it's not like the band doesn't play it at every show ever. Next time chant "Billy" or "Walk Away" or "To Another Abyss". And then record it.
great concert at all, nice article henchman well, i will always miss songs like we're only gonna die and do what you want, but if they refuse to play punk rock song that night i think the crowd would scream for it all the night the part with the girl wearing the black bikini was hilarious i'm happy despite my left ear is buzzing until now because the sound of the citybank hall was too loud
04/18/2007 at 00:23
great concert at all, nice article henchman well, i will always miss songs like we're only gonna die and do what you want, but if they refuse to play punk rock song that night i think the crowd would scream for it all the night the part with the girl wearing the black bikini was hilarious i'm happy despite my left ear is buzzing until now because the sound of the citybank hall was too loud
